Some say he is Devil incarnate, some draw inspiration from him, while others believe he is just a fictional caricature of a bygone era. To us, he is just another experienced insider, who’s been at the crossroads before. Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to an exclusive interview with the Man himself, Mr. Gordon Gekko.
We met at Gekko’s office, around 12 BST, the eye of the storm of the daily volatility hurricanes that have been sweeping the global markets lately. After the early European vol, reacting to the Asian close & local news, and before the arrival of the American vol it was safely calm to have a brief chat. Gekko looked nothing like a man that has been chewed and spat out by the system and the regulators. He was on top form, vintage Gekko, if I may say so, albeit maintaining his rather outdated sense of fashion. Enjoy the ride:
NG: Mr. Gekko, let’s start by briefly setting the scene. You had that run-in with the SEC about 20y ago..
GG: A misunderstanding. The most valuable commodity I know of is information. There was some confusion regarding my sources, but hey..as I said, a misunderstanding. It was very quickly sorted out and I was back making waves, although more silently, ever since.
NG: You run your PE firm and there have been quite a few deals lately that you were involved in.
GG: Correct, the last 6y have been good. There were a lot of opportunities to..liberate companies. Size was not an issue. There was a lot of capital for people like me. America was working.
NG: Some say that this credit galore was what brought the system down. A house of cards that could not withstand the headwinds of an economic downturn.
GG: Nonsense. I hear the word greed mentioned all too often lately. Greedy bankers, greedy investors, greedy consumers…At the risk of repeating myself, let me tell you that greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.
NG: So you think that all these mortgages based on questionable or even fraudulent personal data were right to be handed out? You promote households and countries living on a stockpile of credit cards and loans? Loans to go on holidays, loans to buy cars, loans to pay their loans?
GG: There have been excesses, it is true. There was a point where people thought that everyone could just make money. They thought no-one was losing. Bankers would get their bonuses, average Joe would get his dream house and a car to go with it, credit rating agencies were getting their fees telling us that the world was risk-free, regulators were happy with the financial reports they were getting from Wall Street. I could raise capital to buy any corporate that I wanted. Hell, capitalism stopped being a zero-sum game. Suddenly everyone was winning..<GG laughs at this point> I was meeting many of these people at my club and I was telling them: ‘You’re walking around blind without a cane, pal. A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place’.
NG: I see you didn’t concentrate your criticism just on Banks.
GG: What do you expect? Let’s say that I am Mr. American-Bank-CEO…I don’t make my balance sheet work harder, but I remain risk-averse and what happens? The equity analysts will come and say I’m running my shop inefficiently, I am a cash-rich underperformer and I will be taken out..
NG: Indeed, and now you are the villain because you grew your balance sheet, and amassed some Level 3’s along the way, and you need a capital injection from the state or you’re history; as a company, because as an individual, you would have lost your job by now.
GG: Unless you are in the UK.
NG: …
GG: And then you have the investors. When the world was risk-free you were going to Mr. Banker asking for yield. Well, pal, there is only one way you get more yield, and that’s by getting more risk. Enter structured credit. The only way to satisfy Mr. Investor the last years was for Mr. Banker to create the CDOs and CPDOs and so on. And when they wanted more yield they would make the CDO squared and if we had time we would see the CDO cubed and so on.
NG: Of course someone was asleep at the wheel for giving these the high ratings they had. Model complications aside, when you are running such a high correlation and you fail to see the systemic risk of the structure that would eat it right up to the AAA, then..
GG: Speaking of correlation. Monoline insurers, pal. People were paying them premia to insure their structures; the same structures that were so low risk in our risk-free world. So what was the risk? Only of a systemic event when a shock, let’s say a housing bubble burst, would spread like wildfire and bring the house down. So that was what you were hedging against with the monolines. Ok, pal? if we go down that route and the monolines have insured every structure in the market, what do you think will happen to them? But there are no surprises when it comes to herd mentality…Ever wonder why fund managers can’t beat the S&P 500? ‘Cause they’re sheep, and sheep get slaughtered.
NG: Fair points..but let’s fast forward to the present. Hindsight is easy. What do you think of the current situation?
GG: A mess, pal. The system is in seizure. The lubricant of capitalism has evaporated and the clogs have seized. The politicians, agencies and regulators were too busy doing whatever they were doing, and we wasted time. The herd has panicked and is running scared. Thank god they are more on the ball now, and there are some proper responses.
NG: You are referring to TARP, the liquidity injections and the UK measures…
GG: I like the UK measures. I am not a man who would trust someone called Darling with anything of value, but I am impressed. The banks need capital, not just selling their toxic <GG scoffs at this point> assets. They lost billions from marking these down, they lost their capital, they need to replenish it.
NG: Would you say some sort of government supervision is required to ensure that all these capital and liquidity injections will eventually get transferred to the interbank market and then to the consumer and the corporate borrowers?
GG: Absolutely. I usually get sick when I hear the words ’government intervention’. But I agree these are tough times, and daddy needs to come and bail the system out. Ban shorts? I would rather die than utter the words, but if your main strategy now is to short and accelerated the drop, you’ll have to ask yourself two questions: ‘Will your broker be around to give you your gains?’ and ‘What exactly will you be doing with your paper once the system is in depression? Origami?’ Sure, for the time being central banks have been pumping billions into the system and it feels like they are thrown into a bottomless pit. They never reemerge. The Banks don’t trust each other and they won’t lend to the corporates, let alone the consumers. This is a guaranteed ’road to hell’ scenario. We are heading to recession, but if this persists it will be a depression.
NG: A vicious circle, starting with the lack of credit and causing mass layoffs, defaults, decreased consumption..Not pretty. But do you think we’ll make it?
GG: I am optimistic. I think there is finally a lot of political muscle on a global scale wrestling with the monster. G7, IMF, USA, UK, EU, China finally got serious. I need to see the measures getting acted upon, though…But, I believe we are turning the corner.
NG: Man looks in the abyss, there’s nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. That’s what you are saying?
GG: Exactly. The herd got scared these last days. They realized that things are pretty critical for big daddy to coming to the rescue like that. Banks go down, companies lay off people and are fighting for dear life themselves; Mr. Joe has a hard time remortgaging or getting a loan, countries are close to default. But that’s good. We need it.
NG: Capitulation.
GG. Yes, I think we are close to a bottom here. Big volumes on Friday, 20% drop in a week for the DOW and SPX. 30% – 60% for the financials. I like financial stock at these levels. They give big thrills in ST moves. But we haven’t bottomed out just yet. I don’t think the governments will mess it up and cause huge dilution and stock value destruction once they recapitalize, else they are missing the point. I like the GEs of this world and pharma and utilities too for some long term gains. Don’t get me wrong, I’m buying some C for my grandchildren too.
NG: Any other investments you like? Gold, oil, currency,…safes?
GG: Safes. Ok, pal..if you buy a safe what are you saying? You think the banks will go down and the ATMs will stop working. So you want to keep paper money in your house. If the doomsday scenario does happen, bon appetite eating your origami locked inside your place. They won’t be buying much, assuming you make it outside without getting shot.
NG: So no safes, anything else?
GG: Not sure with Oil. We are heading to a recession at best, so I am not bullish with that. Gold as an inflationary haven with all this billions being printed may be a good choice. FX? Well, there are a lot of blind currencies out there and I am still struggling to find the one-eyed one.
NG: That was very colourful and insightful Mr. Gekko. Thanks for your time.
GG: Remember pal. Life all comes down to a few moments. This is one of them.













